Tag out at home and bases loaded 3rd force out

[profjoe]

I am sure this is easy and I am being dumb, but we just had a girl hit an (almost) inside the park homer, which scored 1 run, but she was tagged out at home.

I did something like:

In Play
Hit Triple
Runner scored
Batter out at third by tag out

This is clearly not right, but this was the only way to make sure that I only had 1 run score.

On my other question, I have had trouble scoring a 3rd force out with bases loaded (so no run scores), unless I lie and say it was a play at the plate. If the force was at 1st (for example) how should this be done so that I do not score an extra (incorrect) run?

[danmcc]

I would recommend the following:

In play
Hit triple, location
runner scores, adv by batter
what happened to batter
home
out
tag out, 9-4-2? Not sure of the sequence for getting the out.

For question 2 if the play is at first i.e. 4-3 then iScore closes out the inning so you don't need to show what happened to runner on third.
If the play is at 2nd for instance then:
in play,
FC,
6-4
what happened to runner on 3rd, home, run not scored
what happened to runner on 2nd, third adv by batter
1st, out 6-4

[bmclaurin]

For question 2 if the play is at first i.e. 4-3 then iScore closes out the inning so you don't need to show what happened to runner on third.
If the play is at 2nd for instance then:
in play,
FC,
6-4
what happened to runner on 3rd, home, run not scored
what happened to runner on 2nd, third adv by batter
1st, out 6-4

EDIT BY FTMSupport: The following is NOT true. iScore DOES handle LOB correctly in this case. If something does not work, then by all means post that it does not work, but please do not post that you think something will not work without trying it as others reading the thread will then take that as fact. Leaving original post, but again, it is not correct.

EDIT BY POSTER: Sorry, FTM. I was truly trying to be helpful, but in hindsight should have tried this before posting. Thanks for a great product and a great forum.

I agree that currently this is probably the best way to handle this in iScore. However, I believe that this method will not handle the LOB statistics correctly (I haven't tested this, but I believe it to be true). For example, using your scenario where the force is at 2nd (e.g., 6-4 FC), the correct scoring for the LOB statistics would be to show 3 players as LOB (BR, R2, and R3 in this case), as R1 was retired on the 6-4 force out. My recollection (again, I haven't tested this) is that iScore will incorrectly show 2 players as LOB (BR and R2) (i.e., R3 will be incorrectly be shown as not being LOB).

The official scorer's report required by OBR 10.02(g) specifies that the report should include the "[n]umber of runners left on base by each team. This total shall include all runners who get on base by any means and who do not score and are not put out. The official scorer shall include in this total a batter-runner whose batted ball results in another runner being retired for the third out." [Emphasis added]

If you try to "prove out" the box score, as required by OBR 10.03(c), from iScore's LOB statistics in this case, I believe you will be off by 1 (again, I haven't tested this). The "prove out," in shortened form is that PA = R + LOB + Opponents' PO.

[CSThunderCoach]

I just ran this through a test and the LOB number is correct at 3. I had bases loaded with 2 out.
InPlay
FC -> location
6-4
runner at 3rd? - Safe, Home, run not scored
runner at 2nd? Advanced by Batter
runner at 1st? - Out, forced out - inning over - LOB number shows 3.

[danmcc]

CSTC,
Glad to see it worked out. Even though it is not a real life possibility I wonder if iScore sees the Home, runner not scored, as an actual standing on the base situation, therefore it is a LOB.

[profjoe]

Thanks to both of you. I had forgotten about the "run not scored" option. I will have too look again where it is It may be correct that the LOB will be wrong, but for now I am more concerned about not errantly giving the opposition an extra run!

As for the tag out, would your suggestion credit the batter with a triple, or would the fact that I scored her as out at home mean that she would not get a hit? I just tried to edit my play-by-play and it doesn't not give me the option of changing my "batter advance" location to home for the tag out (so for now she is listed as tagged out at third, which is fine for my stats purposes except that my catcher gets no credit )

[CSThunderCoach]

The scorebook shows the runner still standing on 3rd along with the runner that was advanced from 2nd. Not sure if there is any other way to depict this in the book. You can't go halfway (it would look like an out), you could possibly show the runner going home, but do not fill-in the diamond to indicate the run did not score.

[danmcc]

She should get the triple which she earned, the out at home was just stretching the defense and didn't work out. She should not lose the hit while trying to stretch is out.

[PetroGuy]

She should get the triple which she earned, the out at home was just stretching the defense and didn't work out. She should not lose the hit while trying to stretch is out.

Just to elaborate (and I'm sure danmcc knows this); scoring it the way it was shown earlier with a Hit Triple and out at home on the tag gets the stats correct in iScore. BR credited with a triple and the correct fielders get the A and PO as you enter them.

[FTMSupport]

Hitting triple. out at home is the correct way to score the play.

In the second case, using danmcc's way of scoring is also correct, and the LOB stat is correct in that case. The user that reported LOB is not reported correctly in that scenario is wrong - they reported they THINK it would not work, but did not try it... always better to actually try it and see so incorrect information is not passed on as it was in this case (profjoe then assumed the LOB would be wrong).

Thank you.