I'm dying for... play-by-play email and game-changing edits

[iscore@tragus.org]

I screwed up a bases-loaded third out play last night and gave the other team an extra run. When I got home I painstakingly wrote down every play-by-play action then replayed the game to get things right. I think it took longer than the actual game but on the up-side I know the details of the game *much* better now

If I could email the play-by-play to myself I could have saved most of the time. I'll probably buy a team site just to get this, $20/year is well worth it, but it would still be nice to have it with the other stats that are emailed. There are some things that just cannot be shown on the scorecard plus I like to archive the stats along with the photos & videos.

The play-by-play is useful and interesting in itself and I'd love to have it just for its own sake but... the main reason I would like to have it is because I can't make game-changing edits. I know from earlier threads that it is because of the way you store the data in the phone. I'm a software developer too so I understand your reasons completely. If there's any way at all to insert / delete runs that would be a huge benefit. On the phone or on the web or even a desktop utility... anything other than re-scoring the game would be awesome. Count me in for brainstorming on solutions and work arounds!

[FTMSupport]

If you go to the iScorecast for the game, you will see the complete Pitch by Pitch detail there in text form as well. If you did not iScorecast a game, you can still push the iScorecast up by going to Game Manager, touching your game, and scrolling down to i-Scorecast Synchronize. This will push your game to the iScorecast server, and you can view pitch by pitch there.

[iscore@tragus.org]

That's a good point. I always scorecast the games. I guess I'm hung up on having it on paper so that I can rescore somewhere more comfortable.

[OhioTex]

I agree there is some value in Play by play on paper...It gives a context and level of detail that the score card can not always convey.

currently, the way to get play by play on paper (and to save electronically) is to set up a team web site and then cut and past the play by play from there to a word document. (nice table format provided by FTM). by the way if you have not seen the play by play on web site it is slightly different than pitch by pitch in its dislay and I find even more reader friendly than pitch by pitch. ..

[bren_tx]

Hi Guys,

This enhancement would help tremedously with my situation.

Our high school coach after learning that I have been scoring games with iScore, has asked me to test (before District Play starts in a few weeks) putting the information up on the school baseball website. (I can see from other fourm posts, this isn't exactly a straightforward process to put together for websites outside iScore's website offering.) Coaches really want the information on their own servers. Now in our discussions regarding game scoring corrections, I explained the current difficulty in easily changing a scored game and the necessity to basically rescore the game. Suggestions to make a team website on iScore servers was voted down. So unless there is some sort of desktop utility to upload the Games stats, scorecard etc., as this original poster suggests, another coach suggested we look into another program (Turbostats...ugh...scored on a Palm device. I have this program, used it, it is more flexible in these areas, but certainly prefer now the iPhone iScore app ).

I foresee our District coming together to host an all inclusive District play website w/ stats as soon as I can come up with a viable option. The problem for me with the current method iScore uses for corrections to games is that a couple of our District play schools have videotape and believe it or not after review of plays will change status of hits, errors, etc. after a game is scored and before it is published. They all say the ability to correct without the need to rescore an entire game is a necessity.

Hope this makes sense. I think I understand how the iScore Team website works after reading forum posts and that system just won't work in our scenario.

Add my vote for a desktop utility that allows me to keep games "in house".

Thanks

[FTMSupport]

I guess we are a little unclear of what the issue is. We export all the data in a variety of formats that you should be able to take and host on your own servers. You can get both game and cumulative statistics emailed to you in HTML, CSV, and Excel formats. You should be able to take the CSV format and import in to any spreadsheet / system you like and host it. You can copy / paste the generated HTML if that is what you would like to do. We provide a PDF scoresheet of every game as well. You can take all of this information and post it on any website you would like.

We have created the Team Website capability as a convenience so that people don't have to take all those things we provide and put them up on a website manually... you immediately have an updated website upon export. If people want to host themselves, as noted above, we provide everything you should need, but do not have a way to automate it (everyone would have a different system, different servers, different formats, etc).

Is there something we are missing as far as stats are concerned?

For the editing after the game, you do not need to rescore for the standard things a post-game review would change. You can change a hit to an error or an error to a hit right in the pitch by pitch screen. Essentially, we do not allow changing the base of a runner in editing, and that would be consistent with a post game review --- you can not later decide a runner on first is actually on second. You can change the reason he made it to the base, but not the base he is on.

If you can give specific scenarios where post game reviews can not be handled by editing, we may be able to expand what can be edited to handle those situations.

Thank you.

[bren_tx]

Hmmm...okay, maybe I will need to play a little more with the email or export options.

But this is what I ~don't~ see so far: A way to email to myself a play-by-play game summary (which I don't think is even an feature right now, but would like to see that in a future update...as exampled in MLB Game Day, they have a play by play view during the game) or pitch -by-pitch summary. So, if I need to make corrections, say to correct the number of pitches to a particular batter or to change how he got on base, or if details on how a batter was put out was missed and just input as an out to catch up on game play....those are the changes during a game (or maybe after) that I have found to be frustratingly complicated by trying to undo, undo, undo to correct while the game is still in progress. Maybe I don't fully understand the complexities of programming software to allow this, but in lieu of having the ability to correct quickly during a game, leaves me no choice but to clean up after the game is over. So, maybe I am misunderstanding how to make those corrections on my iPhone in the iScore app on my phone.

When I email from the Game Info page, I receive 8 files, none of which are a play-by-play or pitch summary file.
In Game Info I see a Pitch by PItch under the "Game Record" but that file is not included in the email export. Is that file only available after exporting to iScore website via the paid Team Website?

Does that make sense? If still not clear, then I must continue to play/score the next warmup tournament being played this weekend and try to get a clearer picture of the limitations of the app as it stands right now to offer recommendations.

Thanks in advance!

[FTMSupport]

That is correct, we do not currently support emailing of the pitch by pitch. Honestly, we did not think it would be that useful as it would be a very long report (note the other thread we think you checked in about possibly creating an alternative scorecard).

Pitch by Pitch is available on the device itself, and also on the iScorecasts. We will add it as an option for the emails as well since people seem interested in getting that data. It may not be for a few versions (we have some higher priority things going on), but we will get to it.

We have just put the new "Play by Play" format up on the Admin Website (check Options -> Admin Website to see how to get to your admin website). It is available on the Games tab along with the Box Scores. This is the same as what we have made available on Team Websites and Player Spotlight sites. You can copy/paste from here and put the HTML up on your own site.

[jcbeckman]

If it's simply a matter of changing stats after a game, you could easily import what comes out of iScore (the emailed files) into a database and then make your corrections there. If Player #1 should have an extra hit and Player #2 on the opposing team one less error, then just change those stats. The only reason for re-scoring the whole game would be if you needed to change the scorecard.

I have already done most of this with PHP. I read up the files and load all the stats. Because the line score by inning is not yet provided, I have to enter that manually, as well as the teams, the winner, and the number of innings. I then read up the rest of the player stats, and have game by game as well as cumulative stats.

It's not pretty - I have done almost *no* formatting since this is just for my table-top APBA league - but you can see the possibilities at http://www.beckmanjm.com/iScore" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; . (ignore the "log in" at the bottom, that is only used by me for doing updates.)

[OhioTex]

Bren_Tx....

FTM has now made the Play by Play Available on the Admin Website
http://my.iscorecentral.com/games.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Once there, you can cut and paste into a text editor or word processing program.

although takes a few more steps to get into "Word editor" than if emailed as a text file, (future feature) ,. for now you do have a text editable view of the game and a numbers editable stat view (CSV) files. .

Does this help.. both can be edited, manipulated and integrated into an independent website pretty easily.