Catching getting PO?

[mprusak]

All,

I just double checked what was mentioned about Wild Pitches getting charged as passed balls. He is absolutely correct. In a game on Saturday, there were 3 passed balls and 1 wild pitch. My catcher was charged with 4 passed balls in the stats. The play by play matches the 3 PB and 1 Wild so I know it was scored correctly.

If thats the case, thats different than what is being said here:

What the actual play was, the pitch threw a wild pitch. the batter swung, it was his third strike. It was a pitch in the dirt on the right side of the plate and the catcher managed to scoop it and ran the batter down and tagged him out. And even though he ran the batter down and tagged him out he was charged with a passed ball for a dropped third pitch?

This should not be a passed ball or wild pitch, as the player was put out.

If wild pitches are being counted as passed balls too, then yes, thats a (different) problem.

[FTMSupport]

We just created a new game. Walked the first batter. Entered a Ball. Tapped Runner, Safe, 2nd, Wild Pitch.

Viewing the stats, it shows Pitcher has 1 WP.
0 PB for catcher (or any other player)

There does not seem to be an issue in this scenario.

[elcray]

We just created a new game. Walked the first batter. Entered a Ball. Tapped Runner, Safe, 2nd, Wild Pitch.

Viewing the stats, it shows Pitcher has 1 WP.
0 PB for catcher (or any other player)

There does not seem to be an issue in this scenario.

I sent you an email with my customer ID and a sample game that does in fact calculate a Pass Ball in the catcher's stats that was in fact a wild pitch.

[FTMSupport]

@elcray - We are looking at your data and do not believe that is what it is doing. We will respond to your email when we have fully evaluated the situation, but it does not look to us like the WP is the reason there are 4 PBs in your game.

[FTMSupport]

@elcray - You pitcher has:

1 Pass Ball in Top of 3rd (while #4 was batting)
1 Dropped Third, Safe in Top of 3rd (while #5 was batting)
2 Pass Balls in Top of 5th (one while #24 was batting and one while #99 was batting)

These all count as pass balls for a total of 4.

Our guess is you are not counting the dropped third, safe as a passed ball.

[elcray]

@elcray - You pitcher has:

1 Pass Ball in Top of 3rd (while #4 was batting)
1 Dropped Third, Safe in Top of 3rd (while #5 was batting)
2 Pass Balls in Top of 5th (one while #24 was batting and one while #99 was batting)

These all count as pass balls for a total of 4.

Our guess is you are not counting the dropped third, safe as a passed ball.

So, as hard as it is to admit (catcher is my son), you are right, and there were 4 passed balls including the DTSS. I honestly never knew that a DTSS was a passed ball. Sorry for the knee jerk reaction. I will call off the dogs.

[elcray]

One question it does lead me to ask...if a dropped third strike is due to hitting the plate or bounced in the dirt, should we technically call that Wild Pitch Third Strike? My rule with the catchers is that even if it hits the dirt, and gets past them it is a passed ball. However, if it hits the plate, I score it as a wild pitch. In my test system, I just did a Wild Pitch 3rd Strike and it did not give the catcher a passed ball (which is obviously what I expected), but I am kind of polling the group to see if that makes sense to go that route. Obviously more times than not, it will be a passed ball in the dirt but they do hit the plate on a regular basis.

[mprusak]

One question it does lead me to ask...if a dropped third strike is due to hitting the plate or bounced in the dirt, should we technically call that Wild Pitch Third Strike? My rule with the catchers is that even if it hits the dirt, and gets past them it is a passed ball. However, if it hits the plate, I score it as a wild pitch. In my test system, I just did a Wild Pitch 3rd Strike and it did not give the catcher a passed ball (which is obviously what I expected), but I am kind of polling the group to see if that makes sense to go that route. Obviously more times than not, it will be a passed ball in the dirt but they do hit the plate on a regular basis.

Its all scorekeeper judgement, but a ball in the dirt is generally a wild pitch, as well as anything too high or wide to reasonably be caught.

[team mom]

A drop ball is often in the dirt but I think our coach's expectation is that the catcher should catch or at least block it. She knows it's a drop ball ahead of time and should anticipate it. I think I have been scoring those as passed balls if they get past the catcher and a runner advances.

[PetroGuy]

MLB Rules 10.13 (a):

The official scorer shall charge a pitcher with a wild pitch when a legally delivered
ball is so high, so wide or so low that the catcher does not stop and control the ball
by ordinary effort, thereby permitting a runner or runners to advance. The official
scorer shall charge a pitcher with a wild pitch when a legally delivered ball touches
the ground or home plate before reaching the catcher and is not handled by the
catcher, thereby permitting a runner or runners to advance. When the third strike is
a wild pitch, permitting the batter to reach first base, the official scorer shall score a
strikeout and a wild pitch.

I've always taken this to mean there isn't really any judgment when it comes to WP on balls in the dirt. If the pitcher throws the ball in the dirt (before it reaches the catcher) and an offensive player advances a base, then it is a WP even if the catcher should have been able to block it.