Errors by 2 Players on Same Play

[jayhawker]

Is there a way to score errors by 2 players on the same play? Example: throw from 3rd to 1st was in the dirt, but probably catchable/stoppable by 1st, but got past him. Coach wanted an error on the throw, and an error on the catch. Couldn't figure out how to do this, so just made a note. Is there a way to score that situation?

[OhioTex]

absolutely can give multiple players if multiple errors.

admittedly i did not see the play,
but if the throw in the dirt, it is generally not a person receiving the ball. I would think long and hard on that one. in the end you need to be consistent in your approach game to game player to player. also The official scorer shall charge only one error on any wild throw, regardless of the number of bases advanced by one or more runners.

an analogy, wild pitch when hist dirt in front of plte and gets by catcher, not a passed ball. even when catcher could have stopped it.

[PetroGuy]

OT has it correct as usual. By all the rule sets I have seen, a throw in the dirt is an error on the throw and not the catch even if it is a relatively easy catch.

One other point on this, there can be only one error on a play that advances a batter runner a base. So if the B/R gets to first on this play, there is only one error to record. However, if the B/R advances to second because 1B should have been able able to block the ball then you can score one error that gets the B/R to first and another error that gets the B/R to second.

[OhioTex]

this reminds me of a subtle and yet potential contradiction i thought i would float for comment...

first, i absolutely agree with petro you can have two errors on different fields if the situation dictated, error on throw gets to first, and error on 1B lets get to second. (

.... However, if the B/R advances to second because 1B should have been able able to block the ball then you can score one error that gets the B/R to first and another error that gets the B/R to second.

but you can also have it be only one error on throw and runner get both 1st and 2nd because of it.

i often hear we have to account for every advanced base in scoring. agee, that is the rule. . but that does not mean (as some assume) it has to be 1:1 an additional error for each additional base, an single error charged to a fielder can advance a runner more than one base.

Per MLB

he official scorer shall charge only one error on any wild throw, regardless of the number of bases advanced by one or more runners.

[OhioTex]

OT has it correct as usual.

thanks for compliment, but not always, definitely have my fair share of oops moments,

[jayhawker]

Thanks for the replies. I initially scored it as an error on the throw--however, the coach asked me to also score an error on 1B, I guess because in his judgment, the throw should have been blocked/fielded. Doesn't sound like there is a way to do that, unless the runner advanced to 2nd.

In my opinion, it wasn't an error on 1B--if he had been able to block/field the bad throw, it would have been an impressive play for a young 1B to make. Just because he wasn't able to, I didn't feel an error was warranted, but had to defer to the coach's judgment.

[CSThunderCoach]

One of the "privileges" of being an "official scorer" is that your judgement should be final. The coach can have input, but your stats cannot be consistent if the determination of errors are not coming from the same person. Everyone sees a game a little different.

[FDT92]

Tonight I had an error on 2nd, did not field the ball cleanly, then made a bad throw first (would not have been in time anyway) that went over the 1st's head and the batter/runner advanced to second.

In iScore I scored this as "reach on error" e4, then safe at 2nd error e4, but iScore only shows 1 error.

Should the player receive 2 errors and if so how do you score it in iScore?

[PetroGuy]

One of the "privileges" of being an "official scorer" is that your judgement should be final. The coach can have input, but your stats cannot be consistent if the determination of errors are not coming from the same person. Everyone sees a game a little different.

+1 on this. I might ask a coach or another spectator for some assistance about something I didn't see clearly, but the final judgement is mine as the official scorekeeper. That is what keeps it consistent.

[PetroGuy]

Tonight I had an error on 2nd, did not field the ball cleanly, then made a bad throw first (would not have been in time anyway) that went over the 1st's head and the batter/runner advanced to second.

In iScore I scored this as "reach on error" e4, then safe at 2nd error e4, but iScore only shows 1 error.

Should the player receive 2 errors and if so how do you score it in iScore?

As OhioTex mentioned earlier

but you can also have it be only one error on throw and runner get both 1st and 2nd because of it.

There is only one error on this play even though the the runner advanced multiple bases.