Need help scoring double play (partly unassisted)

[FTMSupport]

We just started a new game, and put a runner on with a walk, then entered a double play. The pitcher is credited with a GO. This is working as expected. A pitcher does not get 2 ground outs on a double play --- he only gets one.

We do not give a ground out on a fielder's choice because there is not enough information to know that should be a GO for the pitcher. If we were just counting "balls hit on the ground" then we could count it (would also be counting ground ball base hits in that case), but we are specifically counting "ground outs" for that stat and there are situations where a Fielders Choice ground ball would not necessarily be a "ground out". One example is hard grounder up the middle, and center fielder throws the runner out at second... sadly for the batter, this is a Fielders Choice and not a hit, but we also do not give the pitcher a Ground Out.

[jrosenbluth]

Thanks for the information.

Now that you mention it, having total ground balls, fly balls, pop outs and line drives (for Pitcher and Batter) would be very helpful. And staying on the topic of stats, so too would platoon data (versus lefty/righty), and I believe you have had many requests for fielding stats by player and position (add me in that list).

As a catch-all for these requests, have you considered a per-game csv file that would have on each row a plate apperance (not too many rows at all)? The columns could contain the necessary data to run our own reports. Such columns might be:

1) Who is playing each position
2) The handedness of the batter and pitcher
3) The hit location, type, strength
4) The pitch speed, location and type
5) The game situation (men on base, score, inning)
6) Batting Result (out, double play, error, single, double, etc.)
7) Fielding Result (who gets assists, putouts, errors, etc.)

[OhioTex]

@josenbluth

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[card2570]

I seem to be having two problems with this, and I've read the thread.

In my situation, I have runners on 1st and 2nd, one out, 2-1 count, ground ball to second, standard 4-6-3. When I record this in the methods described above, the two problems appear...

First problem, it always asks about the runner on second and wants me to award a base. Why is this, and how do you score this? Defensive indifference? On the throw? Advanced by batter? If the DP is inning ending, and the runner doesn't reach third before the DP is complete, isn't he just in limbo, as it were?

Second problem, it never records the outs in the DP in sequence, no matter how I seem to enter it. It always shows the batter as the second out and the runner as the third, when in reality it's the opposite, no?

Just curious. Thanks for your help!


(btw... I know mine isn't partially unassisted, but this is a pretty cogent thread and I thought you folks might have an answer. Sorry in advance if I'm too far off topic.)

[FTMSupport]

For your situation, place finger on the out button, slide it up across the out button, and the "Quick Plays" will appear. Select 4-6-3 Double Play, touch where ball was hit, Done. That's it.

If you want to do it without the Quick Play, use:

Out
Ground Out
Ball location, Next
2B-SS-1B, Done
Safe, Third, Held Up
Out, Second, Double Play

The order of the outs will have batter as the second out and runner as the third out if done this way, but statistically, there is no difference. All of the statistics using both scenarios will match.

[OhioTex]

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it always asks about the runner on second and wants me to award a base. Why is this,

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when not using the quick out swipe technique, the program will always ask about the lead runner first, then go around the horn, and the batter is last. that is to accommodate the world of possibilities, it does not yet know what you saw.. Held up is a good default in those situations.

[card2570]

FTM: Thank you! I honestly didn't know you could do that. As a support guy, I suppose it'd be nice if we'd all RTFM. (Note: In my limited defense, I did watch the tutorial on double plays on youtube! (Old software version, though.))

Ohio: Thanks, I understand what you mean, and to be honest, iScore does A LOT to accommodate all the possibilities, which could be why some seem to have trouble with it. (But is why I love it so much!) As to your suggestion, I chose held up, but never chose third as the base in which to do it. Whenever I chose held up at two, it wouldn't let me choose the out option at two for the runner on one. (For obvious reasons. )

Mostly, these two questions are me just being anal, but I'm glad I asked, because I learned something new that will save a lot of time!

[OhioTex]

F... but never chose third as the base in which to do it. Whenever I chose held up at two, it wouldn't let me choose the out option at two for the runner on one. (For obvious reasons. )...

common misstep after a while you get use to it, but in that ending inning type situation easy to forget to push him on to third.. .

[Mark Klopfenstein]

OK, to get the correct fielding and batting (GDP) stats, you need to either choose the "quick flick" DP option, or (if it is not available, such as 6-3) choose Ground Out and recored the Double Play (out of order) on the runner. However in either case, the GO total for the pitcher is wrong. It only records one GO. In fact, forgetting about double plays, it will not record a pitcher's GO for a fielder's choice ground out.

I also noticed that the system does not record a GO for a fielder's choice ground out. It would seem that this clearly should be included as a GO. Should this be a proposed enhancement, or am I missing something?

[FTMSupport]

We will get this fixed in an upcoming release.