5 Run Rule

Jaskegreen · Post by **Jaskegreen** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:11 pm

Typically this is not an issue as it is simple to select the Misc button and choose End Inning prior to the sixth run crossing the plate.

The other day at a game we had a situation where the bases were loaded, the offensive team had already scored three runs that inning, and the batter hits an in the park home run. When selecting the "In The Park Home Run" option, there is no way to tell iScore not to count the extra scores.

I guess the other way of looking at it is that the ITPHR is really only a double with the runners on second and third scoring, and the runner on first and the batter holding up on third and second.

Any thoughts on this?

Cheers,
Jason

Post by **FTMSupport** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:47 am

Your last statement is probably correct --- there are no hard-fast rules we have seen for youth sports and what to do when an inning limit is reached. If it was MLB, and the walk-off rules are applied, it would be a double as you mentioned.

So you could go with the double, or you could go ahead and give the homerun, then go back to Pitch by Pitch editing and change 2 of the runners to Run Not Scored.

Since there really is not an official reference, either way could probably be argued to be correct.

Marco Rocci · Post by **Marco Rocci** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:57 am

We use 4 or 5 run rules in Italy, for youths. And yes... we do downgrade the homerun to a double in this situation.

The inning is over in the instant the 4th or 5th run scores, so all other advancements on the bases have to be ignored. It's hard on the batter, but our kids don't really mind much about stats... we let them run out the homerun and cheer at homebase, and that's all they really want.

Marco

PintoMom · Post by **PintoMom** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:23 am

Well, my boys DO care about stats.

I guess I do it wrong, but when one of them hits a homerun and there are "extra" guys on bases, I first advance those boys to home and mark "run not scored" then score "homerun" for the batter.

Jaskegreen · Post by **Jaskegreen** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:31 pm

PintoMom,
So what does this do to the stats? It seems that you are taking runs from other players to give them to the one kid who gets a HR. Don't get me wrong, HRs are very cool and should be rewarded.

I like FTM's suggestion of altering the Play-By-Play, but not very practical when you have various scorekeepers inputting. Because of this, I think I will have to have our scorekeepers score this particular scenario as a double.

Cheers,
Jason

PintoMom · Post by **PintoMom** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:06 am

Yes, I guess so. However, these kids are really only looking at their batting average and total numbers of singles, doubles, triples, and home runs.

So...when kids who average 4 feet tall hit a ball clear to the fence...well, like I said, I know that should be a scored single/double/triple, but no one stops the kid from crossing home plate to the adulation of his team...and it seems a shame to tell a seven/eight year old that he technically "only" hit a single/double/triple. I chalk this up to keeping the fun in the game for them.

Post by **OhioTex** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:35 am

judgement call on when you want the kids to start learning the intricacies of stats. when they get to third on a nubber with over throw at first out, is it a triple?

PintoMom · Post by **PintoMom** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:30 am

I don't score that way, no. The only time I "fudge" anything is an honest in the park homerun. If the kids hits what should be a single, and the fielding allows him a run, I still score it a single with the assigned errors. It gets tricky sometimes, but I keep it honest. For example, my son in particular is known to make a hit and draw a throw hoping for an overthrow (they don't allow stealing in Pinto, and this is the closest he gets to it). He has stretched a single-almost-a-double into a triple many times. But I give him the single.

Post by **OhioTex** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:17 pm

Sounds like you are stuck with a tradeoff, iscore has you boxed in, will just have to choose the tradeoff option that works best for you, your team/ league.. allow more runs in the inning than allowed, remove a run scored from a player, or add the home run. You can add in stats over ride too. Make the best judgement you can.

Jaskegreen · Post by **Jaskegreen** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:49 pm

I'd like to add that stats are something you want to see improvement in over time. If kids are feeling great about themselves because they see they are top of the stats in HR (IPHR) when in the lower divisions, I can imagine they would think less highly of their skill level as they progress in years if they are not performing at the perceived level.

Cheers,
Jason

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