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Through bungled game management -- yeah, that's all on me -- we had a batting out of order situation in a game this weekend. I switched our No. 7 and 8 hitters when I sent them to the plate, based on what I thought was our lineup. But the lineup we exchanged in the pregame meeting had them in opposite order. The first time they came to the plate (to end the bottom of the first and start the top of the second), they both got out. The second time they came up, in about the third or fourth inning, the No. 7 hitter got on by base hit. Of course, the opposing manager now pulled out the lineup with the umpire. Much to my chagrin, I had them reversed in iscore. The girl waiting to bat was called out for batting out of order. The girl on first was called back to hit in her proper place (and this time got out.) I fixed the lineup and even fixed how they got out the first time around. But I couldn't figure out hitting out of order in the heat of the moment (later I saw it). So I had her out for being out of the base path or something after the single. Now I don't know how to go back and fix it. Going back into the pitch by pitch, it won't let me edit a result to the degree of changing a single to a batter out for batting out of order. Thoughts?

On a separate lineup issue, in USSSA many times I may have a team's supposed roster, but they've changed quite a bit -- added players, dropped players, are using pickup players for the weekend. When you only get the opponent's lineup card a couple minutes before first pitch, putting in a lineup, figuring out who's already in and who needs to be added, and making it work seems overwhelming. Sometimes, I punt to the regular book and then input the game afterward. I sometimes think the best thing would be to put the quick lineup in and then put names in afterward, but a lot of those names are going to match players already in the system and I don't want to create the same player in two different places. Suggestions on that?

For part two of your post, I face the same situation a lot. It's the single biggest challenge in using iScore, in my opinion. What I do in that situation is to create a whole new team and then create the Quick LIneup. After the game, I use the Merge Team feature, mapping the existing players to their "new" counterparts and adding the players who were not already on the roster.

Danger's method works when you face several opposing roster issues that are too much to fix quickly. For most cases, I just adapt the lineup given to me to fit the USSSA roster as best as possible. Then I will try to fix it after the game or between innings if needed.

On another note, are softball rules for batting out of order different than baseball rules? in baseball rules, the batter that batted out of order would be called out, not the batter on deck. In this case, it would be the batter who just reached first who would be called out and the batter who should bat after them would now be the proper batter.

You know, I'm going to have to look. It struck me as an odd application of the time. I would have thought the batter reaching first was out, too, but then you still have someone coming up who is out of order. At the time, it didn't matter much -- we were getting an out and one of them was still going to the plate.

Danger and petro hit the start of game line up tips.. Let me touch on out of order

All the rules I have seen for baseball and softball are same. follow MLB (NFHS, ASA,usssa, NCAA, MLB. No difference. However, in practice seems to be one of the more confusing rules to sort out when it happens. Because, a it is up to teams to appeal and depends on when they do (during or after at bat) and then if caught create situations where people bat twice or none.. All very confusing in practice

Based on limited info you gave, sounds like ump did it right. You had improper batter #8 bat in 7 hole, and reach base and then get called out on appeal, removing the improper batter(8) who hit in the 7 hole from base and put next proper batter (8) up in 8 hole .

Official score on this.. For prior innings since not appealed, stands score book will have batter 8 in 7 hole with what ever happened and same with batter 7 in 8 hole. But for the appealed inning the at bat where improper batter 8 reached. The score book should reflect batter 7 in 7 hole out put out credited to catcher. What ever batter 8 did to reach first improperly ignored. Batter 8 then shown on book in 8 hole in what ever the outcome of his second try at the plate.

Make sense?

I agree, OhioTex, that is how it would be handled scoring wise for stats purposes. Just don't know how to go back and fix it so the program will do that.

sorry for lag in reply tblodgett..

danger and petro touched on the start of the game iscore taps ..

as for what to tap in iscore in a bat out of order situation, the answer is It is all about using "Misc Skip Batter " Out/no out.. .. in an extreme circumstance, you may have to skip a whole lot of batters to get the one that actually batted to show up.. the taps would be around skip batter not substitutions..

for a completed game, to correct, if you want it 'perfectly' clean, the best suggestion is to go back and rescore... It is not as long and tedious as one thinks if you have the past play by play and score card to enter from.

Keep in mind that you can, at any time during the game, go to misc, starting lineup, and adjust the batting order without changing the stats. Example, you have Jim batting 3rd and Sam batting 4th. about the 3rd inning you discover that Sam is really batting 3rd and Jim 4th. (You just entered it wrong into iScore.) Just go to misc, then starting lineup and swap them. All stats for batting position 3 will stay with batting position 3 regardless of the name and all batting stats for batting position 4 will stay with batting position 4 regardless of the name..

You can even do this after the game by doing an undo, get the correct player names in the correct batting order, redo, exit, select Team Batting then recalc.

you are correct LarryKoch that iscore retains events by batting position, and you can edit who is assigned to a bat position through the starting line up (ie which name gets written on what row of the score card, ) .. but that will not help in a bat out of order situation. in that case you need to use misc skip batter while scoring live.