Incorrect reporting of games played for a batter in v3.40.

[juphoff]

This *appears* to be a recent/new problem--I didn't encounter it earlier in our seasons in identical situations--but I can't guarantee it's unique to v3.40.

I have a batter who was listed in the lineup for a Little League game last night, and he was skipped every time his turn at bat came up. (We'd expected him to be a late arrival, but he never showed for the game.) His plate-appearance count was 0, but his game count was incorrectly shown as 1 under Team Batting in the Game Manager. (It's correctly 0 under Team Fielding.)

Additionally, his games-played count in Team Stats under the Team Manager was incorrectly incremented for Batting (but it was correctly not incremented for Fielding).

The team website gets the games-played figure correct for this same player after data is exported from my iPad, I'm guessing due to his 0 plate appearances in this game.

Please let me know if you need more information (team name, customer #, etc.).

Thank you!

[FTMSupport]

In App, any player that is marked as Batting in the starting lineup gets credited with a Game Played for Batting. If you do not want this player to have credit as a batter for that game, you should go to Game Manager, select pitch by pitch, tap Edit next to Starting Lineup, and set his Batting setting to Batting = NO. (We are assuming he is the last player in the lineup. If he is in another spot, you would need to put a dummy player in his place to make sure everyone after him does not move up in the lineup).

[juphoff]

I just found a game earlier in our season where a player (in the middle of the order) was listed as batting in the starting lineup but skipped every time his position came up, and he was not credited with a game played in the app.

So this is new behavior as of a recently released version.

Any chance the old behavior can be restored? We see a lot of game-long skipped batters in Little League: we slot them into the order in the hopes they'll show, and then they don't make it....

[FTMSupport]

Yes, this is new to conform with rules of how offensive starts are calculated. Any player in a batting lineup when the game starts is credited with a game played for offensive purposes. They do not get at bats or plate appearances unless they actually make one, but they get credit for being in the lineup. This change also addressed the issue of courtesy runners and players that enter the game as a pinch runner only not being credited as having been on the offense. Now they do get credit.

[juphoff]

Ah, interesting, then, that the team website does not yet assign credit (due, apparently, to the lack of a plate appearance).

How do I undo this for a player, then, once the game has been completed? The stats editor won't let me edit the games-played field, and if I remove the player from the batting order post-game, it wonks out the scoresheet (or at least it used to).

[FTMSupport]

If we can get you to go into the starting lineup, and set that player to Batting = NO, do an Options -> Export and email us your Customer ID (found on Options screen) and which game it is, we can take a look at the scorecard if it looks wrong to see if there is something we can do to address that issue. Please send email to support@iscoresports.com.

[FTMSupport]

fyi... as noted previously, if the player is not the last player in the lineup, then this is not going to work. Most rulebooks read that players arriving late can only bat after the last batter in the lineup unless you are taking an "out" for the skipped player in which case you would actually be crediting that player with the out, so it would make sense to have him show as a game played.

[juphoff]

Understood. I think we're playing a little fast and loose with the rules in our local league.

[Danger]

Another good reason to have the system work like this (where a player in the lineup gets credit for a game even if they don't have a plate appearance) is in this instance:

In a double-elimination tournament, our team came out of the Loser's Bracket and won the "If" game to force a final game. In this particular tournament, we did not play another complete game. We began with an International Tie-Breaker (Runner starts at 2nd base, play complete inning until there is a winner). We won the tie-breaker in one inning and had several players who never came to the plate.

In the old version of iScore, the players who never batted didn't get credit for a game played, yet should have. If I understand the above posts, with the latest version, they would now get credit, correct? If I do a new export, would that correct games played several weeks ago?

[FTMSupport]

Yes, they would get credit for a game played now on the device. You would have to use the Recalc button for stats for each game where you wanted this to apply.