Pitches swinged for each batter

[hy0]

Hi,

it would be really interesting if there was a tab in the player card in which you can see what pitch locations etc. the batter prefers.
so you could make a strike zone (as in the "Pitches"-tab of the Player card) and note the pitches swinged and missed, put in play, homeruned, 3rd strike ... and so on, for each individual batter.
It would be nice if there was a option for this with which you can switch the visibility between these different types of pitches striked and hit, for example with checkboxes.

is this possible?

[FTMSupport]

We do not have anything like this built in, but there are two third party add ons that can support this --- EdgeHQ.com and the TruMedia Networks Add On.

[thecatsfan]

This is a pretty huge missing piece of iScore. I spend hours and hours inputting pitch locations only to find out iScore cannot give me any meaningful data from it. EdgeHQ is $200 to use. We are a non-profict team. We can't afford that. iScore doesn't tell me about quality at bats; it doesn't give my any pitching breakdown at all, like percent of change-ups hit hard, or change-ups for strikes.

Why put all this information into the application if it doesn't use it?

WE use iScore and even have an iScore website, but I am seriously thinking about changing products next year, because all the bells and whistles in the world are meaningless if I can't even seem my own data.

[FTMSupport]

We are intentionally a scorekeeping application, not an "analytics" application, and we have partnered with third parties to provide more in depth analytics for those that want it.

That being said, we do have a large number of new stats coming in our next release.

[thecatsfan]

I undersdtand that this application is intended for scoring, but there are so many useless features included already and the meaningful ones are missing. Why do I need a scatter chart for a pitcher in the middle of a game if I can't see the result of any of those pitches? It does me absolutely no good.

And partnering with a company like Edge HQ is simply throwing your customers under the bus. WE CANNOT affors their outrageously priced software. Not to mention, I need to know what pitch a batter hit 3 innings ago - not last month. Is it too much to ask to see what pitches a batter hit in her previous at bat?

Bottom line is as a customer, I decide what is valuable and what is not. and as the season has worn on, iscore has seemed less and less valuable, as I dump more and more data into it without any chance of getting more than a batting average and an ERA as a result.

[CSThunderCoach]

To ask that one application be everything to everyone is unrealistic. All of the information that is captured by iScore can be viewed, arranged, analyzed any way you want it. You just need to learn the API.

Extract the data using the APIs provided and you have more than enough information.

I for one am glad that iScore does not provide the level of analytics that you are requesting. It is hard enough to get umpires to let me use this in the dugout. What you are asking for is forbidden by most major sanctioning bodies. Electronic devices used for anything other than scorekeeping are not permitted in the dugout. I believe MLB has rules against electronic devices of any kind in the dugout.

NCAA Fastpitch Rule 3 - Equipment
3.7.5 Statistical information may be entered into electronic equipment but may not be accessed or retrieved during the game.

USSSA Fastpitch Rule 11 - Sportsmanship
Section 2 - A coach, player, substitute, attendant or other bench personnel shall not:
Sec 2.F - Use electronic communication, television monitoring or replay equipment for coaching purposes during the course of the game.
Sec 2.H - Be in possession of any object in the coach’s box other than a scorebook, which shall be used for scorekeeping purposes only.

NFHS Rules (Softball 2010)
Rule 3 - Section 6
ART. 10 . . . Objects, other than scorekeeping materials/devices, in the coach’s box are prohibited.
ART. 11 . . . Electronic communication devices, television monitors and/or replay equipment shall not be used for coaching purposes during the course of the game.

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[CSThunderCoach]

@thecatsfan - I challenge you to find another application that even comes close to what iScore offers. $10 app, $20 website, a free resource to more than a 1000 active users (4000+ total), free standard reports (in multiple spreadsheet formats), free APIs to extract and use the data anyway you want, and a support staff that continues to improve the product based on the suggestions of its users. A comparable product does not exist.

[thecatsfan]

@CSThunderCoach

I am glad you are so in love with iScore. Good for you! Doesn't convince me of anything. I do see your point about not seeing this information live during a game. I had overlooked that issue. But why can't I see it after the game? iScore never tells me what pitch a batter hit. I input all this data about pitch type, speed and location, but it never shows up in any of the post-game data in any way. Why bother putting it in?

The $20 website is meaningless if I am not getting the tools I need. With iScore, most of the data I put in requires extreme effort or cost to get meaningful results back out. I can't even tell how many of my pitchers changeups were for strikes without major effort on my end. Why put in pitch types if I cannot see this basic level of information - even if I can only see it after the game is over.

iScore also lacks Facebook integration.

So, I am glad iScore is the end all for you. It is not for me!

[FTMSupport]

If you can state specific enhancement requests you would like to see, we can add them to our enhancement list.

We try and capture everything about the game as much as possible so that future enhancements can be created that can take advantage of the data. The product constantly evolves based on feedback of users like yourself. By at least capturing as much information as possible, it will allow us to do more with the data in future enhancements, and even be able to include previously scored games in the data set for those enhancements.

To say things do not show up in post game data is not true. We show the data in pitch by pitch listings, in the iScorecasts, and in several reports. If there are specific new reports you would like to see or specific statistics you would like to see, please let us know and we can add them to our list. Broad generalizations are hard to work from however.

As an fyi, our next major release includes new statistics (including the one you specifically mentioned about changeups thrown for strikes).

[thecatsfan]

Okay, where does it show me what pitch the batter hit? You just said this data is available in pitch by pitch listings, but it is not there. I am looking right now at our most recently scored game, on both my tablet and in my iscore website, and in neither place does it show what pitch the batter hit. It says Strike 1 and the little chart to the right shows a little chart with the speed and approximate location, but I have no idea if it was a fastball, a riseball, a dropball, or what. I do not use Scorecstm but I doubt it is in there either. And what reports show this data? I have never seen anything from iScore that will tell me what pitch a better hit excet for expensive third party analytics packages. So where is it?

Here is a list of things I would like.
1. Pitch Type Breakdown: Number of pitches plus number and percentage of strikes by pitch type: Changeup, Fastball, Riseball, Dropball, etc.
2. Pitches hit by pitch type: number and percentage of hits and hit for outs by pitch type
3. Strikeouts by pitch type: number and percentage of strikeouts by individual pitch type
4. Breakdown of hard hit balls and weak kit balls, both totals and percentages as well as breakdowns by pitch types
5. Efficiency stats: # of 123 innings for a pitcher, # of innings with 13 or fewer pitches, percentage of lead of batters retired
6. Quality at bats by number and percentage of plate appearances for hitters
3. Pitches seen per plate apperance, batting average and obp with 2 strikes

These are just the things I can think of off the top of my head.