Coach Pitch Stats

[ghl10]

When "Coach Pitch" is selected so that when ball 4 happens the coach comes out to pitch, currently there is a "substitution", so those pitches are not tracked to the kid pitcher (which is good and makes sense). However for the game stats, it is a little deceiving, since whatever happens during the coach pitch part of the at bat is not attached to the kid pitcher. So if the batter grounds out during the coach pitch part, the out is not registered for the kid pitcher, thus his IP is too low. So theortically, a kid can pitch an inning, but all 3 outs are registered with the coach pitch part of the at bats, thus the kid pitcher shows 0 innings pitched. The game cumulative stats will also be off since it may only show 4 IP total for all pitchers, when in fact there was 6 innings played. So there is the official IP, but having a new IP stat to account for the coach pitch outs. It would be nice to show a "coach pitch" at bat as a BB on the kid pitchers stats (or a new BB stat to reflect this). Maybe adding some coach pitch stats, so BB's, K's (wouldn't want coach pitch K's to show as the kid pitchers), runs, etc. Even though the kid wasn't pitching during that pitch, he essentially owns whatever result the hitter has and any runs. As a coach it would be nice to look at the snap shot stats and know how many K's did he actually have, how many "walks" (i.e. how many times did the coach pitcher come out), runs scored while he was pitching (whether during his acutal pitch or not).

[FTMSupport]

We would like to hear other's opinions on this as well. There is no defined way to handle stats for a "coach pitch" league, so we are kind of defining new ground here. (Some would argue that even trying to track pitcher's stats at this age is wrong on some level.) It would seem weird to credit the pitcher with a walk and the batter with a strikeout on the same at bat. There would be no way to validate the stats in this case. We understand what you are saying about the pitcher not being credited with innings pitched, but that is the reality. If the pitcher is not making the outs, they do not get credited with innings pitched. In MLB, if a pitcher came in and walked 25 batters in a row, and then left the game, they would be credited with 0 innings pitched (along with being fired we assume ).

Your idea of a new "BB" stat might be a way to go... "BBcp" or something. But even then, the pitcher would still not be credited with an IP. In that scenario, you could have a pitcher come in, walk 3 straight batters, but the coach pitch comes in and strikes them out for a 0.0 ERA vs a pitcher that comes in, never requires a coach pitch, but gives up one run. Which pitcher had the better performance?

[ghl10]

You bring up some good points and the scenario of the kid coming in and walking 3 straight kids but we still get out of the inning is exactly what I am trying to track. I want to be able to easily see that kid did not have a "good inning". Maybe the BBcp is just a calc that works like anytime a coach pitch comes in, the program looks to see who the previous kid pitcher was and tacks on this new stat to him. Runs scored would be similar, any runs scored with coach pitch, look to see who was the previous kid pitcher and add the run to him (either regular run or Rcp).

[bwr1108]

In the scorecard view I feel a "C" in the box somewhere is needed to show that the coach assisted on the at-bat. Also, the substitutions when the coach came out were done correctly and incorectly a few times as the pitcher never re-entered the game after the coach came out. I saw this on an earlier post.

I feel the pitching stats should stand for the pitcher. In tonights game I scored, the pitcher pitched 6 innings and faced 27 batters. In her stats, it shows she faced 21, 6 being coach assisted. I believe that her stats for total pitches, ball and stike totals are correct, but the batters faced is in error. Her first pitch count accounts for all 27 batters, why would she not be credited with facing 27 batters?

i understand the IP being smaller than what she had because of the coach pitch, but does that change her other inning calculated stats if she isn't credited with all 6 innings.

[FTMSupport]

If the coach comes in to complete an at bat, the coach gets the Batter Faced stat, not the original pitcher since the original pitcher did not complete the at bat for the batter.