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Catching getting PO?

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:03 am
by tjjeane
On one of our recent games the catcher was credited with 11 PO's. I do not have him for any. There were 11 strike outs. Does he get credit for them? The pitchers were not given any?

Re: Catching getting PO?

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:44 am
by mprusak
Yes, catchers get the credit for put out on strikeouts. (strange, but true)

Re: Catching getting PO?

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:29 pm
by FTMSupport
There are a lot of non-obvious things that a catcher gets credited with a put out for. From MLB Rulebook:

10.09 Putouts
...
(b) The official scorer shall credit an automatic putout to the catcher when a:
(1) batter is called out on strikes;
(2) batter is called out for an illegally batted ball;
(3) batter is called out for bunting foul for his third strike;
Rule 10.09(b)(3) Comment: Note the exception in Rule 10.15(a)(4).
(4) batter is called out for being touched by his own batted ball;
(5) batter is called out for interfering with the catcher;
(6) batter is called out for failing to bat in his proper turn;
Rule 10.09(b)(6) Comment: See Rule 10.03(d).
(7) batter is called out for refusing to touch first base after receiving a base on balls, after being hit by a pitch
or after a catcher’s interference ; or
(8) runner is called out for refusing to advance from third base to home plate.
...

Re: Catching getting PO?

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:33 pm
by tjjeane
Thanks for your help. That is definitely the craziest rule I've heard in a long time!

Re: Catching getting PO?

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:39 am
by lismike
It does seem strange, but it is the catcher who gets the out.

The pitcher's K's are recognised in the pitcher's stats.

On a dropped third strike,KE2, the pitcher is still credited with the K and the catcher gets the error.

Mike

Re: Catching getting PO?

Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:06 am
by OhioTex
Also.. if you want to be technically correct in standard (MLB) scoring, a drop 3rd strike is not considered an Error (K E2 as you suggested), it is recored as a passed ball,

you can choose how you want to score your games, but just thought i would point that out..

for reference

MLB ...

10.12
(f) The official scorer shall not charge an error when a runner or runners advance as the result of a passed ball, a wild pitch or a balk.

10.13
(b) The official scorer shall charge a catcher with a passed ball when the catcher fails to hold or to control a legally pitched ball that should have been held or controlled with ordinary effort, thereby permitting a runner or runners to advance. When the third strike is a passed ball, permitting the batter to reach first base, the official scorer shall score a strikeout and a passed ball.

Re: Catching getting PO?

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:14 am
by The Differencemaker
So if a pitcher throws a ball over a catchers head and the batter swings at it anyway, or if a pitcher pitches a ball 4 ft. outside...why is iscore charging it as a pass ball to the catcher when he has no chance of catching it?

Re: Catching getting PO?

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:15 am
by The Differencemaker
And what I meant above is on a third strike with first base unoccupied?

Re: Catching getting PO?

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:17 am
by The Differencemaker
Then how do you score a third strike tip that is caught by the catcher on iscore??? I do not see a place or call for that. And also a batter's interference with the catcher on his throwdown to second or third or first in the event a throwdown is trying to occur. I could not find that either.

Re: Catching getting PO?

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:18 am
by elcray
The Differencemaker wrote:So if a pitcher throws a ball over a catchers head and the batter swings at it anyway, or if a pitcher pitches a ball 4 ft. outside...why is iscore charging it as a pass ball to the catcher when he has no chance of catching it?
That should be scored as a wild pitch...not a passed ball. Or are you saying you score it as a wild pitch and it shows up as a passed ball?