Sac bunt or fielder's choice?

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Sac bunt or fielder's choice?

Post by Jbilas » Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:36 am

Runner on third with one out. Batter bunts ball toward pitcher. Pitcher throws home but runner beats the tag. If pitcher had thrown to first, batter would have been out. Is this a sac bunt or fielder's choice? If sac bunt, how would it be entered on iScore?
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Re: Sac bunt or fielder's choice?

Post by CSThunderCoach » Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:59 am

Fastpitch Softball:
NCAA Rule 14.8 Sacrifice
A sacrifice is credited to the batter in the following situations:

14.8.1 When a plate appearance meets the following four criteria: 1) there are fewer than two outs, 2) the batter advances one or more runners by bunting, 3) the ball must be bunted (that is, not swung at, not slapped at, not chopped at), and 4) the batter is called out at first base or would have been out had no error occurred.

14.8.2 When, with fewer than two outs, the defense (without error) fails to get the
lead runner out on any type of bunt.

14.9 Sacrifice Not Credited
No sacrifice is credited in the following situations:

14.9.3 When a play made on the lead runner is successful and she is put out, charge
the batter with an at bat and fielder’s choice.
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Re: Sac bunt or fielder's choice?

Post by CSThunderCoach » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:02 am

Scoring:

in-play - safe - sacrifice bunt

position ball

What happened to runner on third - safe - home - advanced by batter.
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Re: Sac bunt or fielder's choice?

Post by ixamnis » Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:57 am

Somewhat similar question: runner on second, no outs, bottom of last inning, score is tied. Batters bunts the ball, the catcher fields the ball sees that she can't get the runner at third so she throws to first but throws the ball into the ground and it goes past the first baseman. Runner scores from third then to win game. I scored in play, sac bunt with error, error on catcher, what happened to runner on second, safe at home, error, on catcher again? Haven't looked to see if catcher was awarded two errors on the play by iscore or just one. On scorecard is shows SH, bunt E2 for batter and for runner is E2 from second to third and E2 from third to home. Scorecard should show advanced by batter from second to third and E2 from third to home.

Should this have been scored differently and how? Or is it just another bug to deal with in iscore?
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Re: Sac bunt or fielder's choice?

Post by ixamnis » Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:10 am

On further review it appears iscore has the # of errors recorded correctly in the stats, just the scorecard isn't right.

Wonder what would have happened if in the exact same scenario there had been a play at home on the runner from third at home and the runner would have been out, but the catcher had dropped the ball? I don't see that I would have scored it on iscore any differently, yet the catcher would have made two errors on that play. How does iscore know if you hit the error button twice for the same error or you hit it twice because there actually were two errors on the same player.
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Re: Sac bunt or fielder's choice?

Post by FTMSupport » Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:53 am

If there are two errors on the same player, you would have to score the complete play with the first error, then tap baserunners to advance them as a separate sequence and assign the second error. Errors on the same player during the same sequence are scored as a single error.
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Re: Sac bunt or fielder's choice?

Post by ixamnis » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:25 am

See, I was wondering if I should have just advanced the baserunner to only third and then tapped the baserunner at third, but you are telling me that would have assigned two errors to the catcher when there was only one error that allowed the batter who sacrifice bunted to get to first and the runner who she advanced to third then made it home. So I either have the scorecard wrong or the # of errors wrong. I guess the scorecard will be the least of my worries, stats first, scorecard second. The scorecard should show the batter advancing the runner from second to third, shouldn't it?
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Re: Sac bunt or fielder's choice?

Post by FTMSupport » Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:18 pm

We would probably just enter the runner advancing to home on the error and not worry about the advancement from second to third.
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