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I-score changes ER from Unearned to ER, on next the play?

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:34 am
by Rosborn
Inning ... 1st
1b, single
1b single
1b single
Next batter reaches 1st base on an error (E4) with all runners advancing one base and the runner on third scoring on the error... Iscore records on scorecard (slide out) the run as unearned, via the solid blue with a white light in middle .. Doesn't give and batter a RBI.
Next batter hits into a FC, 4-6 for the out.. I-score on pop out shows ER for runner on third scoring and gives the batter who hit into the FC an RBI...
So far so good...
Next batter hits a home run and scores the two runners still on base and herself (softball), I-scores shows her with three RBI's and all thre run are indicated ER's.
The problem...... On this play (home run) I-score changed the first batter in the line up from an unearned run via scoring on the earlier error, to now an earned run? Via the solid blue infield without the light in the middle? All RBI's remained the same.... How can that happen after the fact?

Re: I-score changes ER from Unearned to ER, on next the play?

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:56 am
by FTMSupport
Because Earned Runs DO change based on subsequent action. The runner that scored on the error still would have scored without the error based on subsequent play, so iScore is able to determine that the run is in fact earned.

Re: I-score changes ER from Unearned to ER, on next the play?

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 1:20 pm
by Rosborn
Yes on subsequent plays , but not based on plays four batters down the line up? so are you saying on scenario , had the next batter not hit a home run but hit into a double play and ended the inning, I score would have went Back and change how the first run of the inning should be scored, as far as an RE? I'll go bac and try that.

Re: I-score changes ER from Unearned to ER, on next the play?

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 1:30 pm
by Rosborn
Sweet, I guess it's because if there were no addition hits, fc's and a double ply ended the inning, that first run would not have scored because of the error, and with another hit that run woud have scored even with the error? Interesting.... And thanks, I did go back and tried some different scenario ..

Re: I-score changes ER from Unearned to ER, on next the play?

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:16 pm
by Rosborn
New scenario,
1st batter hits HR
2nd batter ground out 5-3 (1 out)
3rd batter gets single to left and advances to second on error by left letting get by her
Runner on second advances to third on PB (not WP)
4th batter k's, runner on third holds (2nd out)
5th batter gets a single to left, runner on third scores on that hit, left fielder lets it by and batter advance to second on the error by the left fielder.
6th batter grounds out to third forthe third out...

Iscore shows the 3rd batter who got a single, advanced to second on an error, then advanced to third on a PB... Scored on the single by batter #5, I-score shows her as an ER?
Reviewing the inning, it doesn't appear the 3rd batter getting a single but advancing to second on the error, them advancing to 3rd on the PB, then scoring on the single should have been given an ER? Doesn't appear she would have scored had there not been an error and a PB that inning and that's what determines Earned Runs, right? She would have been left on second without the error and the PB, or at best advanced to third on the single by batter #5 with aggressive base running.

Thanks, you guys have alway given me the answer so I'll wait on this one...

Re: I-score changes ER from Unearned to ER, on next the play?

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:36 pm
by FTMSupport
There is no way for iScore to know if the runner would have scored on the single... there could have been a long single off the wall that could have scored a runner if they were running on the pitch. There will always be some scenarios that require scorekeepers judgment and this would fall into that category. iScore will default to earned runners when RUNNERS advance bases by error and then there is a hit after the runner is safe on base. When BATTERS reach because of error, they are never eligible to be an earned run.

In cases where as the scorekeeper you decide it should be unearned, you can edit the stats post game from the statistics screen under Game Info.

Re: I-score changes ER from Unearned to ER, on next the play?

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:50 pm
by Rosborn
Thanks and that make perfect sense .... I'll just keep an eye on those innings with multiple errors or PB , but my guessing is it wouldnt be often I'd need to edit after the fact, right?

Re: I-score changes ER from Unearned to ER, on next the play?

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:25 pm
by FTMSupport
You are correct that it should not be often.