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Ok, scenario...

Runner on first and second, batter hits ground ball to short. No play at third or second due to a small bobble by the SS during the catch. So the SS throws the ball to first base with the batter/runner beating out the throw.

How do you score this?

What is confusing to me is that when you tap "in play" you get an option for "error" along with "hit single". Then for each batter you hit "error" again including the batter/runner.

Seems like a lot of extra "error" tapping for one error by the SS. If you hit "error" as a means to get on base then why would all runner movements automatically be set to error?

I could understand this flow better if you were to define the type of error (ie-fielding error, throwing error, base running error, etc). But that does not appear to be the case.

Any help is appreciated.

For the baserunners, you would likely score it as "Advanced by Batter" unless they advanced an additional base because of the error. If you do mark them all as advanced on error, iScore will correctly only count it as a single error for the entire play. (There were a few scenarios with v1.65 where it may have double-counted the error, but v2.0 fixes that retroactively as well.)

FTMSupport wrote:For the baserunners, you would likely score it as "Advanced by Batter" unless they advanced an additional base because of the error. If you do mark them all as advanced on error, iScore will correctly only count it as a single error for the entire play. (There were a few scenarios with v1.65 where it may have double-counted the error, but v2.0 fixes that retroactively as well.)

Hi All,

This is just the product I've been dreaming of; mobility, accuracy and yuk....auto-tabulating the stats. This is my first post, after scoring several LCS games in full, and one of 13U travel ball. I've run into several real time issues that usually solve with workarounds or a look at FAQ's.

But one tool I seem to need, but can't locate: a way to move runners base-by-base within a play that moves the runner more than a single base.

Example 1: NLCS, bottom of 8th inning (my sympathy to Phils fans, and former Dodger Chan Ho Park), throwing error by Utley at 2B on likely GDP. Batter Russell simple: in play, 1st on FC, held. But runner Pierre starting at second base goes 2 bases to score, 2nd-3rd on the FC and 3rd-home on the error. I can advance Pierre to either 3rd or Home on either Error or Advance by Batter but can't mix and match to get him base-to-base.

Example 2: Travel ball, runner at 1st, fly ball to center field. CF drops the ball ("catch"), allowing runner 1st to 3rd (Advanced by Batter), and batter to first (in play, error, held up). CF now overthrows 3rd for a second error ("throw"). Runner at 3rd advances home, batter to 2nd on "throw". Again can't mix and match.

In Example 2 I actually WANT two errors, and can't seem to assign them as such. While I understand the common need to "auto consolidate" errors so multiple runners/batter don't generate multiple errors in stats, in this case I can't seem to separate generate separate errors when I need to.

Any workarounds I'm missing? If so, let me know. If not, maybe consider this a "feature request" or option for future releases?

For example 1 we would score it as runner Pierre advancing to home on on error directly rather than an advanced to third followed by an error to home since there is no statistical difference. If it is important to you to help you remember how the play happened, v2.10 (currently awaiting Apple's approval) has a new Notes feature which will allow you to record additional information for a play. Another option would be to score it In Play, Fielder's Choice, runner on second Safe at Third Advanced by Batter, runner from first Out at Second, Force Out, batter at first Held Up. Then touch the runner at third and make him Safe at Home on Error by Utley. Although it's entered as two separate plays it would show up correctly in the stats and scorebook.

For example 2 the only way to create two separate errors for a single fielder is make the errors occur in 2 plays. So score it as you did initially: batter In Play, Error, Held Up, runner 1st to 3rd Advanced by Batter. When that's finished touch the runner on third and do Safe at Home Error on center, runner on first to Second, Safe, On the Throw. The centerfielder will then be correctly assigned 2 errors and the batter will not get an RBI.

sombb -

I thought i would give my perspective on option 1 and 2 described by ftm..


first, i am glad you are enjoying your new found dream tool. i too was thrilled when i first found it, and it has just gotten better since with FTM and the community's help. I hope you continue to participate in its growth by using the board.

As your example shows, iScore is not a perfect replay machine, ( not sure it will ever be - or should be). For me the choice for how to score depends on what you value more, the stats, scorebook or the on line iscore cast "replay features". For me i like the iscorecast, but my main value is the stats and the score book and as such i like option 2 because it gives more notes on the scorebook. remember, ultimately "two plays" (or three) without a pitch in iscore generally does not show up on paper, only you, the machine and the iscorecast really know it as "two plays".

I plan on using the notes feature in future version of iScore to capture for my memory the 'one off odities' that pop up here and there in iscore. and special plays, web gems, or other notes scribble on my score book, like #$%$#. poor mr uttley ( "i don't know where he is going to go"- J Buffet)

if you are doing this for the iscorecast simulation of what is happening , you probably want more of an exact replay and neither option will be all that satisfying, But if you are like me and really value the stats and scorebook more than the on line replay (which is nice, but not my main goal) then i have found the "two play" method works ok. and look forward to notes.

OhioTex wrote:
I thought i would give my perspective on option 1 and 2 described by ftm..

...but my main value is the stats and the score book and as such i like option 2 because it gives more notes on the scorebook. remember, ultimately "two plays" (or three) without a pitch in iscore generally does not show up on paper, only you, the machine and the iscorecast really know it as "two plays".

I plan on using the notes feature in future version of iScore...

Hi,

At least for now, I share your preference for scoresheet and stats. Also quite used to Notes and look forward to that feature.

Are you commenting on my Example 1 (Pierre in NLCS) or my Example 2 (Travel Ball)?
I can certainly live with Pierre going from 2nd-Home on an error. But I'm a stickler for BOTH errors being recorded in the Travel Ball example. Let me know. Thx.

sorry to confuse. let me try and clarify..

what i called option 2, was simply the FTM method suggestion to use two iscore plays,
(option 1 doing everything in only one iscore play).

FTM indicated, Option 2, ie two iscore plays, can be used in both your examples to get the stats and book as you would expect.
your example 1 could have been done either way, as one or two plays. but example two really needed to be done in two plays to get you the two errors as you want. My two cents is, for the stats and the book, two (or more ) iscore plays is just fine, no issue - will look like one play on paper. . the only downside is for anyone watching the iscorecast because there it will look odd, like a pause between plays or two plays vs one continuous one.

all clear? are you good to go on this...or have more questions?

OhioTex wrote:...your example 1 could have been done either way, as one or two plays. but example two really needed to be done in two plays to get you the two errors as you want. My two cents is, for the stats and the book, two (or more ) iscore plays is just fine, no issue - will look like one play on paper. .

all clear? are you good to go on this...or have more questions?

Thx Tex, all clear now. I test drove both options and will use the two+ plays option, which on both plays got both book and stats just right.