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Player Manager Question

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 6:35 am
by brentwalker
As a follow-up to Ohio-Tex comments on Leagues and management thereof, I am interested in some comments around Player Management.

A player (Pete Rose) is selected to play on a team that is going to play in a tournament named Big Bubbas Tournament. The team is created and players are put into the roster by having the "ALL" league option turned on so as to see all available players or by adding new players. In this case Pete Rose was already a player listed in "available players". After the tournament, you go back into Player Manager and look up Pete Rose and select the leagues the player is available for or has played in. Why does iScore not enable or have a checkmark for Big Bubbas Tournament for the league Pete has just played in? (hope you understand my rambling)

Re: Player Manager Question

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 7:51 am
by FTMSupport
The answer to this really has to do with the intended flexibility of leagues. While we called it "leagues", it is really about "groupings" and people can group players / teams / games any way they like. For example, you might group games into Day vs Night games so you can compare stats during the day vs at night. That would not imply that anyone that played in a Day game should be in the Day league because it is really a grouping of games.

We have had the suggestion to make an easier way to add players to leagues in bulk however. That really seems to be what you want here - a way to say "add this league yo any player that has played in this league". That is a good suggestion and one we will add to our future enhancement list.

Re: Player Manager Question

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:19 am
by iscore@tragus.org
This is similar to my request for League Inheritance: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1826" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

FTM suggested a button in the League Manager to let you "add all players that played in games in this league to the league". I think that would be an improvement but what would be easier from a user perspective (IMO) is to have a toggle that would cause teams and players to be automatically added to all currently enabled leagues when they play a game in that league.

The difference is that with the button approach you would have to go to League Manager after the game, select each active league and click the button. Possibly easy to forget and certainly tedious though. (Of course, you wouldn't need to do it after every game -- just at the point in time when you want to see team/player stats at that level.) With an auto-inheritance toggle on the league page I can enable that before the game at the same time I'm enabling the league. It's marginally less tedious (I'm already selecting the league before game-play anyway) but much less likely to be forgotten since I'm there already.

The error potential I can see for my suggestion is for teams/players to get left out of a league if you add a game to a league after the game has been played. The button approach / bulk-add is clearly better when you consider this.

Re: Player Manager Question

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 9:20 am
by brentwalker
Maybe I don't understand leagues as well as I thought given FTM's comments above. I thought stats were dependent on which leagues were enabled not which league a player belonged to?

I am having difficulty understanding why a player wouldn't inherit the league, as a league played in, when in fact that player played a game in that league, either night or day, Summer 2010, 2010 District Games, or whatever.

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Re: Player Manager Question

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 9:57 am
by OhioTex
i think you understand them just fine.

I think that may be the challenge for FTM on what to put on a player card. for statistical purpose i think the player inherits the games he plays in . the leagues are a separate (and potentially irrelevant) assignment .
the reality is the assignment of players to leagues is imho, the thinest of league assignments. you could never assign a player to any league and be "just fine"

what drives player cards are stats, and stats are generated only from games, . Players are assigned to games by lineups and games to leagues. that is the filter that matters .

I think your other post clarified the want on player cards.. lets let FTM chew on it and see what their brains can come up with.. .