error scoring question.

[dtkreutz]

couple of questions.

man on first. batter hits to shortstop. throws to first baseman who drops the catch for an error.

how do you score this to the SS gets an assist.

and in general, does it matter if the man on first is marked advanced by batter or held up.

thanks!

[FTMSupport]

Advanced by Batter and Held Up are treated the same for statistics purposes.

We do not currently have a way to score an assist for a failed putout. See this thread for more info:

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[Bryan D Shepherd]

There is no such thing statistically as an assist for a failed putout officially as far as I am aware. In order to have an assist, you have to have a putout. If you can show me where it says you can have an assist on a failed putout, that would be awesome.

[FTMSupport]

Rule 10.10(a)(1) here:

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(a) The official scorer shall credit an assist to each fielder who
(1) throws or deflects a batted or thrown ball in such a way that a putout results, or would have resulted except for a subsequent error by any fielder. Only one assist and no more shall be credited to each fielder who throws or deflects the ball in a run-down play that results in a putout, or would have resulted in a putout, except for a subsequent error

[Bryan D Shepherd]

Thank you very much, I did not know that.

[villebilly]

Does that mean there can be more than one assist on a play? Like a ball cut-off on a thrown-out runner at the plate...What about a ball hit back at the pitcher who deflects it to SS who throws the batter out?

[OhioTex]

technically yes, the scorer could create multiples in an assist, as is the example in pickle, and a cutoff..

[CSThunderCoach]

In the case of a deflected ball off the pitcher to the SS the scoring is 1-6-3. Any fielder that deflects or throws a batted ball. I have seen plays where the second baseman fielded the ball, but because he was out of position or could not make a throw, flips the ball to the shortstop who then throws to first. Rare play, but it is scored 4-6-3 (one out). Both fielders receive an assist. In the case of a run-down where you have a 1-2-5-1-6 putout at third, even though the pitcher handled the ball twice, only 1 assist is awarded to the pitcher along with the other fielders and an Putout is awared to the SS.

A couple of things to remember about giving an assist on an error. You can only give the assist if the batter/runner would have been put out - without the error - AND the error is not charged to the recipient of the assist (ie. throwing error).

An error charged on the 1st baseman dropping the ball AFTER the runner is safe - that results in an extra base - there is no assist.

Now you can see why it is hard to have an application determine if there should have been an assist - with just 1 or 2 taps. Best is way is to track it with a note and transfer it to your stats after the fact.

[Bryan D Shepherd]

Correct, that would be scored a single with an error on the 1st baseman for allowing the runner to advance to 2nd. If the runner did not advance to 2nd base, it would merely be scored a single with no error charged as the runner did not advance, nor was his time on the bases extended due to the dropped ball.

[Bryan D Shepherd]

If you need more clarification on errors, feel free to look at this post: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1343" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. I will be adding the scenario that CSThunderCoach has brought up and will also post what my interpretation of the play should be scored.