Kd....What does this mean ?

[CSThunderCoach]

Ks for the normal K and Kc for the backwards K. It seems we are always giving up something for the sake of technology.

[FTMSupport]

Ks is Strike (Swinging), Kc is Strike (Called). Kd on the scorecard designates dropped third strike.

On a dropped 3rd strike, the pitcher is credited with a strikeout, but the batter is out because of the throwdown or tag out (thus no red K or red backwards K). It is by design to not show the K on the batter in that case because he is not out because of his strikeout.

The only issue we have here is that the batter is always being given Ks on a dropped third instead of Kc or Ks depending on if he swung. We will get that fixed for a future release. Everything else should be working as designed.

[OhioTex]

( i am not suggesting this is a high priorty, just clarifying)

* a potential future release may distinguish in batters stats in the Ks vs Kc columns.

* the score card, does not distinguish if the third strike was a called or swing strike?

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P.s. Can you type a backwards K on this forum? How...

[CSThunderCoach]

FTM...I think I understand what you are saying, but just for my clarification:
The PO is Kd2-3; Pitcher is credited with SO; batter is charged with a SO (Ks & Kc to be corrected), catcher gets A; 1st base gets PO.
Scorecard should reflect Kd (as it does now) with 2-3 for the PO (which is missing - to be corrected.)

[FTMSupport]

Yes CSThunderCoach.. that is correct.

[CSThunderCoach]

K - Thanks!

[vjbaseball]

I am a parent who has never played baseball, but started using iScore to keep score for my sons. This forum has helped me a lot in figuring out how to score various situations (in most cases after the fact, but, future errors were preventted). But, I came across this situation for my 10U's game:

1. There is a player on First base.
2. The batter strikes out. The 3rd strike is a dropped strike. The batter starts running towards first base. The catcher throws the ball towards first base and in the confusion of trying to get the batter out, the player on first runs to second. The batter does get tagged out.

How do I score the player going to first base? Should it be a "stolen base" or an error on the catcher (who dropped the 3rd strike and caused this)? At the time of the game, I scored it as a "stolen base".

Later, I found out that, if the first base is occupied, the batter is out on a 3rd dropped strike because he can't run to first base, but the players are encouraged to run so as to confuse the fielder and allow a stolen run.

Thanks!

VJ

[FTMSupport]

At the end of all the confusion, it sounds like this is really just the runner on first stealing second, and nothing more statistically. There is a lot of confusion amongst the players, but you can't record "mental errors" as errors. If they tried to throw down to second and there was a bad throw, or the ball was dropped at second, then you could assign an error, but confusion during a play is not an actual error.

Might want to use notes to record "confusion --- coach should cover during practice" or something like that.

[Bryan D Shepherd]

I am a parent who has never played baseball, but started using iScore to keep score for my sons. This forum has helped me a lot in figuring out how to score various situations (in most cases after the fact, but, future errors were preventted). But, I came across this situation for my 10U's game:

1. There is a player on First base.
2. The batter strikes out. The 3rd strike is a dropped strike. The batter starts running towards first base. The catcher throws the ball towards first base and in the confusion of trying to get the batter out, the player on first runs to second. The batter does get tagged out.

How do I score the player going to first base? Should it be a "stolen base" or an error on the catcher (who dropped the 3rd strike and caused this)? At the time of the game, I scored it as a "stolen base".

Later, I found out that, if the first base is occupied, the batter is out on a 3rd dropped strike because he can't run to first base, but the players are encouraged to run so as to confuse the fielder and allow a stolen run.

Thanks!

VJ

First, the umpire in this situation screwed up because as an umpire on a dropped third strike when the batter cannot run to first, the umpire is supposed to announce loudly that "The batter is out!" The fact that he/she apparently didn't is an error in mechanics, and as such should've been corrected by the umpire after the play.

However, in this situation, it is merely a stolen base.

If the umpire really wanted to be a jerk he could've called interference by a retired runner and calling out the runner that was being played on and sending everyone else back to the base occupied at the time of the interference.

[CSThunderCoach]

I actually saw the interference called at a 10U state tournament last year. The umpire was having a bad day that day. He had caught a foul ball in the throat earlier in the day with a different set of teams. His voice was horse and you could tell he was in some pain. In any other tournament they would have played with a single umpire, but in a state tournament it is required to have at least 2. He tried to let everyone know that the batter was out, but everyone was yelling at her to run (dropped 3rd and all.) When the coaches tried to get the explaination about why the runner was being returned to first he tossed all but one of them, and told them to use that time in the parking lot to catch up on the rules.