Sequence of outs in tag-out double play

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Ethan826
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Sequence of outs in tag-out double play

Post by Ethan826 » Wed May 19, 2010 12:31 pm

Hi,

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I was watching yesterday's (May 18) Cubs-Rockies game. In the fourth, with Brad Hawpe at first, Troy Tulowitzki hit into a 4-3 double play. However, Hawpe was tagged as he passed the second baseman (not by a force at second).

If I score this a double play, the scoresheet shows Hawpe as being forced out. If I score it as a tag out, the sequence of outs is wrong—it shows Tulowitzki being the first out of the inning and Hawpe being the second.

How should I score this both to show a tag out for Hawpe and the correct sequence of outs for the inning?
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Re: Sequence of outs in tag-out double play

Post by CSThunderCoach » Wed May 19, 2010 1:57 pm

In doing some research (those with the MLB rules can quote the specific)

NCAA rule 12.8.3
If the runner put out is the batter-runner at first base, or any other runner forced to advance because the batter became a batter-runner, this is a force out.

Even though the runner was tagged, he was forced to advance thus the scoring is correct with the FO.
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Re: Sequence of outs in tag-out double play

Post by Bryan D Shepherd » Sun May 23, 2010 8:30 am

Correct. Tag out is only applicable for a non-force out, regardless of how the runner gets out. Another good example would be batter hits a short grounder up the 1st base line, 1st baseman charges it and tags out the batter-runner. This is an unassisted force out by the first baseman.
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